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Richard Rosen's avatar

“Dismantling” makes it sound like your identity is some kind of structure that you take apart piece by piece. Hm, let me get rid of this anger thing. That doesn’t sound right. Identity is a tapestry, some are beautifully woven with bright colors and interesting scenes. Others are shabby and unattractive. But the process is the same for both. Continually shine the light of consciousness on that tapestry and like a piece of cloth left out in the sun too long, it begins to fade. Some aspects of Identity fade faster than others, some seemingly refuse to disappear (is it possible to completely shed identity?). But why would you go through all the trouble to achieve self-knowledge (at least it’s usually depicted as hard to reach) and then renounce the world? It seems somehow in that case that the knowing isn’t yet complete. Maybe the phrase "self-knowledge" is misleading, since we tend to forget that the self that is known is everybody’s self. How could you possibly walk away knowing that?

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Karin Lynn Carlson's avatar

round and round as the self-other-Self questions go, I've always felt that there is an assumption behind which way we feel the teachings go.

Is the self pre-existent and internal, or is it not?

Is avidya a misunderstanding of what is right in front of us, or an ignorance that requires externals to fill?

The teachings I've studied most closely all lay into the former. Which, taken all the way, means we don't 'go' or 'renounce'. We stay where we are, but are there differently.

I kinda like the idea of a structured deconstruction. It fits. It tickles me. Of course, tossing out 'anger' is uncanny. But shifting from one experience of anger toward another possibility of experienced anger is possible, and would change the next moment, thus burning up some karma.

but that's me.

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